1 in .375 H&H Magnum - Duration: ... Winchester 1885 High Wall … repeater cartridge (serial number 121609, which is the third Winder Musket found in this caliber). In the following paragraphs, each variant will be discussed in further detail. Instead of using a pinned blade, it has a standard 3/8” milled dovetail slot, with a No. We buy, sell, consign and trade new and used firearms.We will pay finders fees and travel for large collections. Single shot lever-action falling block action featuring gloss blued 28" octagon barrel and action, oil finnish checkered ...Click for more info Total production of the First and Second variation Winder Muskets is estimated to be 5,800 units (based on my research figures). There were undoubtedly a few additional First variations made beyond December of 1911 to use up the remaining parts on hand. ... Ruger No. 93 style blade front sight. Illustration courtesy of U.S. My research indicates that the production total was much closer to 19,000. For a reason unknown to this author, the Third variation was cataloged and listed by Winchester as the “Model 87”, but it is a Winchester Single Shot (Model 1885) in all respects. Author Herbert G. House1 indicated that a total of 7,418 First variation Winder Muskets were sold from October 1904 through December 1907, and that sales from January 1908 through December 1911 totaled an additional 1,884 units. Våbennummer. The vast majority of the Model 87s will be found chambered for the 22 SHORT cartridge, but a very small percentage were chambered for the 22 LONG R cartridge (less than 2% of the total production). Lastly, the steel wiping rod and the corresponding hole bored in the stock for it were omitted. According to records compiled by Herbert G. Houze1, a total of 28,576 Winder Muskets were manufactured and sold. It is, I've read, next to impossible to have a whoopsie while manipulating the hammer on the low wall models, anyway. The shooting sticks were a personal project. It was available in the Take Down frame throughout its entire production period, and a very substantial number of them were manufactured with that feature. Pictured to the right is serial number 121195 with a factory installed Lyman No. center-fire cartridge. ... Have been hunting some with a high wall in 375 H&H for the last four years or so, really love it. The stock was bored for a steel wiping rod storage. Unfortunately, the U.S. Government canceled the remaining contract orders due to the impending Armistice and the subsequent end of WW I, and as a result, Winchester decided not to pursue the rechambering project. There is an area of very light surface pits on … Sorry to be so long responding to my own post. Rifle has a palm rest and Swiss butt plate. I am currently researching the original factory ledgers to determine exactly how many of each variation are in the range that can be lettered by the Cody Firearms museum. My 30-06 was a shooter. Rifle has adjustable set trigger. Description: This is a no longer made and hard to find Winchester 1885 Safari in 375 H&H. It was built on what would appear to the casual observer to be a low-wall frame, with a coil spring action only, and it was never offered in Take Down. Two models were produced, the Low Wall and the High Wall. WIN 1885 HIGH WALL HUNTER.308 WIN 28"OCT BLUED WAL Additional Information Manufacturer Winchester 275 Winchester Ave Morgan, UT 84050 800-782-4440 www.win.esterguns.com Manufacturer Part Number 534112220 Item Number G534112220 UPC 048702015724 .. The following table was presented by Herbert G. Houze in his superbly written reference book, “To The Dreams of Youth, Winchester .22 Caliber Single Shot Rifles”, 1918…………… 7,354 (includes 6,692 sold to the U.S. Government*), 1919…………… 5,010 (includes 4,627 sold to the U.S. Government*), 2,000 per contract 16363 of December 5, 1917, 6,289 per contract P3745-1549Sa of May 15, 1918, 2,000 per contract P10430-1903Sa of June 21, 1918, 1,000 per contract P11979-2051Sa of July 16, 1918. High Wall Hunter. The Winchester/Browning Model 1885. 1885) The Winchester / Browning Model 1885 High Wall Rifle. This is our 45th year in business. $1,450 ea. 24HR acts a bit oddly on my cell phone and wants to reload often for some reason. I think the main contribution of the current Browning/Miroku "Winchester" 1885s is that they put the strength of the old original High Wall into a Low Wall receiver. The vast majority of the First variation Winder Muskets were chambered for the 22 LONG R. cartridge, with a small number of them chambered for the 22 LONG and 22 SHORT cartridges (refer to the chart near the end of this article). Operated by the Sporting Shooters’ Association of Australia (SSAA), it is an online service with free registration for SSAA members, dealers and the Australian shooting and hunting community, including firearm owners, collectors and enthusiasts. Introduced in 2005 under their limited series of long guns, both guns are featured with a number of options and cartridges ranging from the .17 HMR to the .45-70 Government. They are very well-made using up-to-date materials and incorporate features meant to maximize safety and improve accuracy. Looking for an original Winchester 1885 Low wall or high wall rimfire rifle. It has much nicer wood than the Winchester. The front sight and forend stock on the Model 87 are identical to the Second variation Winder Musket, but shortly after production began, a transverse band screw was used to retain the barrel band versus a spring clip (that change was an Edwin Pugsley innovation to simplify production, and it was authorized May 6th, 19181). Winchester is still making the Model 1885 in both High and Low Wall models. Based on my own very careful and thorough research of the original Winchester factory warehouse ledger books, that production and sales number is not possible. Too bad about the current wood, but I still like them. Serial number 96701 is listed in the factory ledgers as being received and logged into the factory warehouse on October 24th, 1904, and shipped the same day. I also have a Browning Low Wall in 260 Rem, plan to deer hunt with it this season. All three Winder Musket variations were manufactured with a large shank, 28-inch round barrel, that was approximately the same size as a No. It was astounding!...excellent lithe rifle. Lauritz.com - Riffel, Browning / Winchester M.1885 High Wall kal. I shot an early hornet when Browning was still the name on the gun. : 105 cm. Part 2 of 3, The Bannerman Years(1890-1902), Foreign Rifles of the Spanish Republic, 1936-1939, The History of C.M. The earliest examples were predominantly equipped with the Hotchkiss rear sight, but the majority of them will be found with the Krag-Jorgenson sight. The forend stock on the Second variation is retained by a single barrel band and spring clip, and it features an elongated finger grasping groove. The First Variation: The production period for the First variation Winder Musket was from October of 1904 through December of 1911. You've fired up the 1885 bug in me again. It is new and unfired in original box with papers. The second is serial number 121153, which is a solid frame. The total production number for the Second variation is estimated to be 4,000 units. The Model 1885 has been chambered in more calibers than any other rifle in history, simply because the falling block design is the strongest, most time-tested and accurate action ever invented. This is basically the same rifle with a Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad and satin stock finish. * Receiver – Steel; Drilled and tapped for As I previously alluded to, the receiver frame of the Model 87 externally appears to be a low-wall, but in reality, it is a high-wall frame that was milled down to make it appear and function like a low-wall. But I only use it sitting on stand where 200-300 yard shots are common. Repeating Arms Co. Browning produced the modern Model 1885 High Wall from 1985-2001. Its a Crosno-turned Winchester Special-Sporting pattern in a blank of antique Myrtlewood I found. This was done to reduce the distance between the rear sight and the shooters eye to aid in shooting accuracy. Based on the raw numbers derived from my ongoing research survey, approximately 47% of the total Second variation production consisted of Take Down frames (230 of 473 surveyed thus far). 375H&H MAG. Two models were produced, the Low Wall and the High Wall. As of this writing, I have not found one with an earlier date. Coincidentally, Winchester also discovered that the accuracy of the rechambered Model 87s was poor due to the 1:20 rifling twist rate used for the 22 Short cartridge. The Winchester .22 Caliber Single Shot Musket (Winder Musket) was first introduced to the shooting public in late 1904, and it remained in production until June of 1920. Rifle has 95-97% blue and 80-90% case colors. There were a small number of additional units made up through 1919 to use up the remaining parts that were on hand. The rifle is a Winchester 1885 Short Hunter with a Weaver 1-3x scope. According to Herbert Houze1, an unknown number of the early First variation Winder Muskets were shipped to the Ohio National Guard (Col. Charles B. Winder), and to the New York Public Schools Athletic League (Gen. George W. Wingate). It also has a slight perch-belly shape, whereas the First variation is perfectly straight across the bottom. Winchester produced nearly 140,000 Single Shot rifles from 1885 to 1920, and it was found that the falling-block Model 1885 had been built with one of the strongest actions known at that time. The normal serial number range is from 112,500 to 121,800, and again, there are a small number of specimens that will be found on both sides of the stated serial range. It is very probable that the manufacture of the Model 87 Winder Musket for the U.S. Army was the direct result of General Pershing’s influence. The Model 87 featured a new style Lyman No. Regardless of which type of sight was used, it was mounted to the barrel several inches forward of the frame ring. LW in Hornet but the wood and wood to metal fit is not as nice as on the Browning model.-Muddy. The standard version of the High Wall was produced in calibers .22-250 Remington, .270 Winchester, 7mm Remington Magnum, .30-06 Springfield, and .45-70 Government. Over the course of time, it was eventually manufactured in three distinctly different variations, which I refer to as the First, Second and Third variations. To wrap this up and summarize, the manufacture and production of the three Winder Musket variations was quite significant for Winchester, especially when one considers that it amounted to nearly 14% of the total Model 1885 production. What calipers were the low walls offered in? According to my research of the Springfield Research records, many of those martially marked Model 87s ended up in National Guard units, College and High-school ROTC units, Railroads, and U.S. Coast Guard stations. It featured a barrel mounted rear sight that was either a Buffington Hotchkiss style, or a Krag-Jorgensen Model 1901 military wind gauge sight. It was a serious business. Those same records show they were then later disposed of through the DCM in the years 1922 – 1942. The modern 1885 High Wall and Low Wall rifle designed by Browning Arms Co. and sold under the Browning and now Winchester brand names are manufactured by Miroku in Japan. The bottom picture is serial no. The cartridge chambering was split between the 22 LONG R and 22 SHORT, with the 22 LONG R being an overall 3:1 favorite and the predominant cartridge chambering in the first half of the production period. The production period for the Third variation was from January of 1918, to June of 1920 (when regular production of the Model 1885 Single-shot ceased). The Winchester Model 1885 is a single-shot rifle with a falling-block action. 1885 High Wall Safari Octagon 10/11/2011 08:03 PM | by Abbey Clary The Winchester 1885 High Wall Safari Octagon is a lever-action rifle chambered in .300 H&H Mag. These single shot lever-actions make up the core family of Model 1885 rifles currently being produced by Winchester Repeating Arms. 3 round barrel on the standard Sporting Rifle. The vast majority were flat-spring solid frame actions (98.55%), with a very small percentage of coil-spring Take Down actions made (1.45%). Winchester signed a contract with the U.S. Army in late 1917, and the first order (for 2,000) was let on December 5th, 1917. : 59,3 cm. - No proof marks on barrel & receiver just marking under the tang PAT 7th OCT 79 … No 4 barrel. Unlike the traditional low-wall frame which was threaded for a small-shank (.845”) diameter barrel, the Model 87 is threaded for a large shank (.935”) diameter (high-wall) barrel. If you include the total production through the end of December 1911, the total Model 1885 production was 15,070 units, again with the vast majority of them being Sporting Rifles. I just get from a old french man a nice Winchester 1885 Hight wall caliber 45-90 W C.F . The Second Variation: The production period for the Second variation Winder Musket began in December 1911 (per Change in Manufacture Notice 13671), and was concluded in December of the year 1917. The Browning Model 1885 High Wall, produced from 1985-2001, was succeeded in 2005 by a new version marketed as the Winchester 1885 High Wall Hunter. Model 1885 - Current Production Model 1885 Rifles. Spencer, Syl H. Roper, and Their Pump Shotgun Designs: Part 1 of 3 (1833-1889), Chinese Copy of Maxim 1885 pattern Machine Gun “Transitional Model”. with a 28 Octagon barrel. The Miroku High Wall and Low Wall action designs are totally different and more complicated than the original Winchester 1885 actions. Model 1885 High Wall Hunter, High Grade ... Model 1885 High Wall Hunter, High Grade. - 30 inches round barrel ( twist 1/32 '') : Stamp marking #3 + Winchester + 45-90 WCF + A inside circle . These were all parts clean-up units that were manufactured in 1918 after production of the Third variation had begun. ", "I used to have Bass rolling like thunder.........can't do dat no mo'.". 107312, equipped with a Hotchkiss rear sight. If we use the estimated total production number of 4,000, then extrapolate the number of Take Downs using the data I have collected thus far, the total Take Down production would have been approximately 2,130 units. M-1885 Low Wall. A dovetail slot was never milled in the barrel for a rear sight. Auction:10705319 New in box Winchester 1885 High Wall Safari OCT. 375 H/H. Those that were accepted by the U.S. Army were stamped on the upper part of the frame directly behind the hammer with the letters “U S” and a flaming ordnance bomb as shown in the picture below. 53 receiver sight that is ordinarily found on the Third variation Model 87 low-wall Winder Muskets. the other, a tangless 1885 Traditional Hunter, is in 45-70. Great rifles, a bit nicer than the Rugers. 1 “To The Dreams of Youth, Winchester .22 Caliber Single Shot Rifles” by Herbert G. Houze, All work copyright of the listed author. Of course Lil'Gun powder helped a lot, too. Bore is mirror bright and perfect. Powered by Determined Idiots, A Quick and Dirty Guide: Military Krag-Jørgensen Rifles, The History of The Spencer Shotgun. Wow thank you. Buy Winchester 1885 HIGH WALL SAFARI .300 H&H MAG 28" OCTAGON w/box 2010: GunBroker is the largest seller of Single Shot Rifles Rifles Guns & Firearms All: 887399249 The upper and lower tangs are much thicker than a traditional low-wall, and all parts including the stocks can be readily interchanged with a Second variation Winder Musket. Oddly enough, I have personally encountered two Second variation Winder Muskets that were factory chambered for the 25-20 W.C.F. Pibel. The table below is a summarization of all the Winder Muskets I have recorded in my research survey thus far: Finally, and for all of you interested readers, I am still conducting a statistical survey for all of the surviving Winder Muskets that I can locate in an attempt to recreate the destroyed factory records to the maximum extent possible. But I only use it sitting on stand where 200-300 yard shots are common. He told me a few years back that he felt he could hit more chickens with the High Wall than the '74 Sharps. The fact that he shoots a C Sharps High wall is probably the best endorsement there is. The First variation was built on a high-wall thin-side frame with a flat-spring action up to circa March 1908, and then a coil-spring action could have been used thereafter (though very few are encountered, and those found are usually Take Down actions). Repeating Arms Co. The Second variation Winder Musket also featured a barrel mounted Krag-Jorgensen Model 1901 military wind gauge rear sight, but in all cases observed by this author, the sight is mounted to the barrel immediately forward of the frame ring. Had a .270 Win, 30/06, and 300 Win Mag. The distinguishing difference between the Winder Musket and the standard Model 1885 Musket is that all three variants were (with a very rare few exceptions) chambered solely for the .22 caliber rim-fire cartridge versus a center-fire cartridge. The forend stock was retained to the barrel with a pair of barrel bands and spring clips (identical to the standard Model 1885 Musket), and it was not manufactured with the elongated finger groove found on the later variations. MFG: 2006 Ships to Lower 48, $45.00 SOLD Manufacturer: WINCHESTER Model: 1885 HIGH WALL Serial Number: 00306ZM85A Caliber Info: 377 H & h Condition: NEAR NEW Barrels: 28 The 1:20 rifling twist rate was not capable of adequately stabilizing the heavier 40-grain bullet used in the 22 LR. I do wish the trigger were a little simpler. Brian Chilson went from a C Sharps '74 to a C Sharps High Wall. Unlike the standard Model 1885 rifles that could be ordered with a variety of barrel lengths, shapes, and sizes, the Winder Musket was only available with just one barrel type. The frames were always blued, but the hammer, trigger, lever, and breech block were nearly always case color hardened. Love my Winny. Based on my personal experience and what I have observed in my travels, I believe that the estimated 2,130 production number is very close to the actual number that were manufactured. The front sight pictured on the right is a milled steel ramp that is silver-soldered to the barrel. It has a longitudinal groove milled in it, with a thin steel blade that is pinned in place. The most noticeable difference between the First and the Second variation Winder Musket is the forend stock. Not interested in the modern Winchester/Miroku reproduction. SSAA Gun Sales has been designed to be Australia’s most comprehensive firearms and accessories trading website. Had a .270 Win, 30/06, and 300 Win Mag. As of this writing, I have 3,206 Winder Muskets listed in my survey. I had trouble with my trigger sticking so the hammer would not fall all the way when I was trying to fire it. It was built on what would appear to the casual observer to be a low-wall frame, with a coil spring action only, and it was never offered in Take Down. $1,450 ea. Looked at the Japan made Winchester 1885 high walls at the LGS a day ago. The Miroku-made Low & High walls have been sold under both Browning and Winchester brands, going back to the 70's. There was nearly an even split between the 22 LONG R. and the 22 SHORT cartridges when the totals for all three variants is included. Totall. I don't mind that you can't lower the hammer with your thumb all the way down to the fire position but would like a little more assurance that it would always fall all the way when I wanted to shoot the rifle. GUN COLLECTIONS WANTED FOR CASH! Used Winchester 1885 High Wall Single-Shot 375 H&H, 28'' Octagonal Barrel, Walnut Stock, Talley Rings & Base, Minor Scratch on Left Side of Forend, Very Good Condition I know of the 22 Hnt, 223, 45 Colt, and the 6.5x55 seeing the post above. 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